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« on: 08-27-2008, 21:02 »
I started classes today, 1st day of college for me and HST. So this is a new experience for me, any tips?

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« Reply #1 on: 08-27-2008, 21:13 »
In two days I'm out of college for good, haha, moving on to grad school.

Err, like anything else it's all a matter of context. Are you guys still living at home or did you move out?

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« Reply #2 on: 08-27-2008, 22:00 »
College?  Don't be jaded by the professors that aren't in your major.  If it seems like college is too hard, you're probably in a bunch of weeder classes.  Study more than you did in high school.  Busy homework is useless.  Attend lectures most of the time, or you'll probably drop the class at mid-terms.  Fully take advantage of any meal programs that they have, but throw away half of whatever you put on your plate.  The salad bar is your friend.  So are those peanut butter sandwiches in baggies.  Time your schedule around everyone else's.  Don't be afraid to say "no".

Other than that... have fun and enjoy your (new and otherwise) friends and don't you dare drink and derive ;)

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« Reply #3 on: 08-27-2008, 22:11 »
We're both still living at home so we will have some advantages. Thanks for the advice icy I'm sure it well help. But I would never drink and derive, who knows what crazy equation I could end up with? (In all seriousness I don't drink ever)

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« Reply #4 on: 08-27-2008, 22:18 »
College is cake as long as you are not blowing through it like k//. Take It Easy!! If your high school was rigorous enough, intro-level classes in college are all going to be at most equally difficult, and higher-level you should only be taking in your major so even if they are harder at least they're interesting.

One thing on taking notes: DO NOT use the highlighter/scribbling in the textbook method that I see a lot of people doing. That's retarded. To find your notes if you do that, you'll end up flipping through the entire book, not to mention you'll be autopiloting it and so the info won't register. Just write in your notebook like an obedient student and everything will be easy.

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« Reply #5 on: 08-27-2008, 22:38 »
No problem, seeing as how I didn't go away to college, I have my friends to relay this information to me ;)

Oh, right, one other bit of advice:  The more expensive lab notebook is generally worth it - i.e. indestructible.  Use it for everything, including playing make-shift badminton.

And it's a good idea that you guys have living at home - keep expenses as low as you can for as long as you can :D

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« Reply #6 on: 08-27-2008, 22:48 »
Darn straight, less money=better. I really appreciate the advice guys, I always like to try and get some extra help.

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« Reply #7 on: 08-27-2008, 23:18 »
I don't know that I have the best experience, seeing how I've been in college for... 6 years now and still working on my bachelor's in CS XD

Pay as you go is nice for debt-type things, but not so nice when it comes to timing.

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« Reply #8 on: 08-27-2008, 23:25 »
Quick question on note taking, should I take notes as I read the chapter or should I just read the chapter and take notes on it as it's lectured about?

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« Reply #9 on: 08-27-2008, 23:35 »
Shoulds?  It's generally good enough to just read the chapter and take the notes in class (it's one of those things where it just makes sense all at once, often times, and the only reason you keep the notebook around is because it's happening so frequently that you wouldn't be able to make sense of it), however, taking notes on stuff you don't understand at all is a great way to try to make sense of upper level math courses :)

Linear Algebra in particular...

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« Reply #10 on: 08-28-2008, 03:25 »
Sorry, icy's wrong, although that might be sufficient if your school isn't particularly rigorous.

As you read the chapter, summarize any points that feel difficult in your notebook in wording other than what the book uses. That forces you to understand it in advance. Anything that's easy to you is not worth taking notes on, but be sure that it really is as clear as you think (homework is a good indicator of this).

The reason it's critical that you do this is because if you find you're unable to reword it even looking at the book, you're not getting it at all (unless it's the sort of thing that's just that precise in phrasing, but that's rare and it should be obvious when that occurs). In that case it won't really make any more sense as you're sitting in class, and you might absentmindedly write what the professor says, but you still won't get it.

If you don't get it, ask the teacher as soon as possible. In high school this seems rather weak and still feels that way to some degree in college, but do it anyway. Don't fall behind, at any cost.

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« Reply #11 on: 08-28-2008, 11:20 »
Hm, I guess I learn a little bit differently.  I tend to catalogue things away in my brain and when something comes along that smells a bit familiar, I put it through the wringer.  If it doesn't make sense, I sleep on it, then stuff ends up making sense.  It could be that I'm at a bum institution, but, who knows.

Your mileage may vary, as usual :)

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« Reply #12 on: 08-28-2008, 13:38 »
Of course, everyone learns a little differently, I'm just asking around about what worked best for people to see maybe what might work well for me. I really appreciate this guys I'm sure it's going to help tremendously in easing the college transition.

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« Reply #13 on: 08-28-2008, 15:04 »
I never read books unless they specifically say "You're going to fail project x if you do not read this book".

Pretty good so far, considering I never read more than two pages in my chemistry, US history, behavioral sciences, and music appreciation classes (A's in all of them, just to clarify).  Granted, these classes were all just GE classes and weren't particularly important to me and weren't related to my major.  Oh well, people have very different learning styles, some people are audible learners, some are visual, some learn better with both, and some just learn no matter how the material is presented.

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« Reply #14 on: 08-28-2008, 15:09 »
Sigh. I think almost everyone is going to an easy school, but it's a question of whether you want to learn or just fake it for grades. If you're going to be paying out the ass, I'd say you should be in to actually gain something.

The work habit alone is worth it to me, but not everyone subscribes to the same ethic. You can trust me that if you do what I say nothing will ever be truly difficult again, though.
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« Reply #15 on: 08-28-2008, 18:45 »
There is plenty of merit in your work ethic, k//, and it shows in the things that you do.  It also means that whenever you do make it into the business world, you'll be one of the sharpest sticks in the bunch :3

I just wish I made the time to actually do that XD

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« Reply #16 on: 08-28-2008, 19:02 »
Haha, just a few years now, I suppose?

For what it's worth, in most schools it's easy to laugh your way through with full marks; I took a few courses at the local college in 8th grade and getting A/A+ was pretty much effortless. It's part of why I think it's worth it to try and get into a good institution no matter what (since limited challenge means likewise limited education), but if it's too late then eh, whatever?

(Transferring is always an option as long as it's not of the Higurashi variety.)

Taking good notes, as long as you're skilled at it, should actually only require 2 hours per class per week, although for higher-level classes the time goes up. On the other hand, you should only be taking those in your subject, so that isn't really a horrible thing.

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« Reply #17 on: 08-28-2008, 19:50 »
Haha, just a few years now, I suppose?

For what it's worth, in most schools it's easy to laugh your way through with full marks; I took a few courses at the local college in 8th grade and getting A/A+ was pretty much effortless. It's part of why I think it's worth it to try and get into a good institution no matter what (since limited challenge means likewise limited education), but if it's too late then eh, whatever?

(Transferring is always an option as long as it's not of the Higurashi variety.)

Taking good notes, as long as you're skilled at it, should actually only require 2 hours per class per week, although for higher-level classes the time goes up. On the other hand, you should only be taking those in your subject, so that isn't really a horrible thing.
Yeah, I only take serious notes in math classes.  I have about 12 notebooks full of math notes in the 4 years I've been in college.  I do take the area  I chose to study quite seriously; the classes I mentioned above are all general education classes.  I also keep all of my math books and homework sets as well.  Thing is, there's not a whole lot of reading when it comes to math, so reading books isn't really in my list of priorities.  Some chosen studies just don't make you read as much, that's all.

If you put a history book in front of me, I lol.  You put a math book in front of me, and I'll be very much inclined to look over the whole thing.

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« Reply #18 on: 08-28-2008, 20:26 »
That's a good point; regardless of how seriously or not you want to take college (since that's pretty much up to you), you definitely NEED to pay attention to your primary subject. If you don't even plan on doing that, then just drop out, because you're going nowhere.

EDIT: I don't want to make it sound like it's just filled with work; if you're effective then you'll end up devoting a maximum of about 15 hours a week outside of class to studying/homework even if you're a model student in a top-rated school, often far less. Plenty of time left over to do all the usual less-serious stuff you want to do.

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« Reply #19 on: 08-28-2008, 21:24 »
As is the case with collegehumor.com et. al. XD

I've already moved up in school; university is 5x harder than community college.  However, learning the stuff is prio one, getting a degree is secondary.  At least, until you get out into the work place.  Then you wonder why you didn't sacrifice more earlier to get there.  Then a few years later, you go back to school because SCHOOL IS MUCH BETTER THAN WORK.

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« Reply #20 on: 08-28-2008, 22:53 »
Thanks guys, it's good to hear about college from people who have been there and done that. The real difference is that I'm a political science major so I'm going to be reading much more. (I'm actually finished with the math that my degree requires)

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« Reply #21 on: 08-28-2008, 23:46 »
aha, polisci.  Well, I hope you like interesting eclectic teachers who like to share personal stories and conspiracy theories, because there's a lot of those people :D

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« Reply #22 on: 08-29-2008, 00:04 »
Yeah definitely helps to take classes that don't bore you.  I actually found myself wanting to read more of the psychology book than just the assigned reading. 
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« Reply #23 on: 08-29-2008, 00:09 »
Thanks guys, it's good to hear about college from people who have been there and done that. The real difference is that I'm a political science major so I'm going to be reading much more. (I'm actually finished with the math that my degree requires)

Yeah, definitely take good notes then. Again, be smart about it--easy parts you can just ignore, it's the hard ones you need to focus on.

(also thanks haha)

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« Reply #24 on: 08-29-2008, 01:47 »
I'm a political science major so I'm going to be reading much more. (I'm actually finished with the math that my degree requires)
Ugh.  That was the only class I had a B in for 3 years(political science).  Then I got a B in Physics 2.  =|

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« Reply #25 on: 08-29-2008, 12:13 »
I've noticed that I'm the only person here (that I know of) that isn't in some sort of math/business related field. But polisci is interesting to me, and should be useful on my way to law school.

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« Reply #26 on: 08-29-2008, 15:51 »
I've noticed that I'm the only person here (that I know of) that isn't in some sort of math/business related field. But polisci is interesting to me, and should be useful on my way to law school.
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« Reply #27 on: 08-29-2008, 16:17 »
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« Reply #28 on: 08-30-2008, 01:15 »
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